tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post4492865443819147776..comments2024-03-21T00:42:18.535-07:00Comments on Koenraad Elst: The Aryan Non-Invasion TheoryKoenraad Elsthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02503713923882807510noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-43189733973124448742013-11-01T07:16:38.968-07:002013-11-01T07:16:38.968-07:00PARTIV: THE RIDDLES OF AGE OF ARYANS: In this we s...PARTIV: THE RIDDLES OF AGE OF ARYANS: In this we shall discuss the anachronism of age of various Aryan tribes. The AIT PROTAGONISTS fixes the age of various categories of Aryans as below: Asia Minor: as per the recent excavations the oldest and largest urban settlement dating back to 7000 BC has been unearthed. The curious part is the finding of bronze idol of priest with having tufts in the middle of the head like head plate worn by Greeks. IBERIA: The Celtic culture has been found to be existing even before 3000BC. GREECE: The Ionian culture existed even before 3000BC. MIDDLE EAST: The Hittites even before 2300BC entered into matrimonial alliance cum agreements with Pharao. Now the question is why Indo Aryans alone were uncivilized. If they are uncivilized who gave them Chariots? Why is that of all the uncivilized invading tribes Indo Aryans alone recite poems in chaste language?is it simultaneous or what is the time lag? Why is it that Vedic hymns stopped after Satapada Brahmana? How is that prakrit nearly ruled for thousand years from 800BC to 200AD? Even now compared to population the learners of Sanskrit is very limited. INDO IRANIANS AND INDO ARYANS: Much hype is made on the similarities between Zend Avesta and Rig Veda. The comparison ends there. There is neither reference to India in Avesta or Iran in Rig Veda. The funniest part is that Persian words resembling Vedic words appear only during Achchemenian Empire in 600BC. Thus Darius - Turvasu Cyrus - Kuru appear nearly 800 years after being used in Vedas when only Prakrit was in vogue and no such names were used contemporarily in India. The sixteen janapadas were clear imitation of Darius I. If one compares the inscriptions of DariusI with Asokan edicts and Meikeerthis of RajarajaI to Kulothunga I one is struck by similarities in context descriptions and orders issued. The AIT protagonists should synchronize the events and boldly say that Indo Aryans were nuisance creaters driven by brother Aryan tribes. The problem with AIT protagonists is that they essentially represent a strange combination of anti Christ Zionists zealots who cannot go beyond date of creation by Hebrews with Graeco Roman concept of Plato's republic and carrying the mantle of Teutonic Templars scoffing at Norse and Celtic mythologies. The contempt for all mythologies is directed as Indo Aryan/European marauders thus insulating their scientific temper from the fear of those mythologies in the mask and garb of AIT. LET INDIA BE SPARED AND LET ITS HISTORY BE LIMITED TO A FEW HUNDRED YEARS NOT BURDENED WITH IVC OR AIT. LET ALL GLORY GO TO WEST. SPARE THE PEOPLE OF SUB CONTINENT AND ALLOW THEM TO LIVE IN PEACE WITHOUT HALLOWED AND HAUNTED BY OLD GLORY.Tejaswininimburiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06098146870657720928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-60422577356382835202013-10-31T09:48:33.575-07:002013-10-31T09:48:33.575-07:00INTELLECTUALS DISHONESTY PART II: The AIT is based...INTELLECTUALS DISHONESTY PART II: The AIT is based on backward integration i.e., take Vedic hymns compiled by Sayana in 14th century AD. Don't look for earlier comments and come to 200 - 500 AD when Mahabharata Puranas Smritis were compiled extrapolate to any period between 1500 -800BC then come to Asoka/Megasthenes and Alexander then go to Buddha then Mahavira DariusI 16th province of Punjab Indo Iranians at last Indo Europeans. Is this the way of scientific history?India lives only in present and not bothered about past or future. Heavens will not fall if it is said that India does not need history. Before analysing the Vedic hymns let us ask this question why should be history analysed on Sayanas commentary on Vedic hymns. Nachinarkiniyanar the older contemporary of Sayana extensively says Four Vedas mean TAITTRIUM CHANDAM TALAVAKARAM AND SAMAM alias Jaiminiam. The Chola inscriptions extensively refer to these only. Further in older Andhra inscriptions Agniveshya is specifically mentioned. Incidentally the Vaidhya Brahmins of Tamilnadu upto the period of Varuna belonged to this the notable being Siruthondar and Satan kari of famed Velvikudi Grant. In one of the Paranthaka I inscription Venkata Madhava the commentator on Rig Veda samhita is mentioned. The question is what happened to it and what are the sources of inscriptions on Vedas in North India and no historian ever mention them? There were no kings who performed vedic sacrifices in Hindi belt except Sungas and Guptas who can never be considered as pure Aryans? Why was it Tamil kings had fascination for vedic sacrifices? The answer is simple. North Indian masses were not imperialistic unlike South Indians. Even now they seldom move out of their native place unlike South Indians. Hence their knowledge about India is a big zero. The geography as depicted in Sanskrit literature coincides with Green mariners. That is why Sanskrit literature never mentions Tamil as a separate language Pallavas and Cholas. Even Alberuni is completely ignorant of Cholas. It is only after 1070 AD Chinese substituted Cholas for Dravidas. The funniest part is that North Indians even upto the time of Harsha travelled to Srilanka either from Broach or Tamralipti by ship. That is why in Sanskrit from Malavigagnimithram to Priyadarshika there will always be Ceylonese princess engulfed in shipwreck during sojourn to North India. There is also a story of Sita being daughter of Ravana abandoned in the sea and reaching East India. Compare this with geographical descriptions given accurately in Sangam literature and Rajendrachola inscriptions. As per map of ancient Greece the tip of India was very narrowed and Srilanka is on the western side. This compares favourably with Vanaras reaching southern tip and Sampathi pointing out Srilanka. The protagonists of AIT derive sadistic pleasure in depicting non moving unchange non imperialistic North Indian masses as legacy of looters and marauders. There will be more bucks.Tejaswininimburiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06098146870657720928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-88511685615204103342013-10-30T10:40:57.946-07:002013-10-30T10:40:57.946-07:00We in Tamilnadu stoutly oppose AIT for the followi...We in Tamilnadu stoutly oppose AIT for the following reasons and you should not vaguely explain. i)the word Dasa/dasyus never figure in Tamil. How can Arya/Dasas war can be considered as Arya Dravidas war.ii)you are intellectually dishonest Dravida first occurs only in Buddhist chronicles i.e.,after spread of Buddhism in Krishna Godavari basin in third century BC coinciding with Anuradhapuram inscription indicating Damela bahmana gahapathi/merchant. It is clear that Damela refers only to Krishna Godavari basin supported by the fact that in subsequent Sanskrit literature from Mahabharata to Kumarila Bhatta Chinese chronicles Dravida refers only to Krishna Godavari region. Why Ramayana Panini Asokan edicts Buddhist/Jain chronicles before 300BC never mention Dravida?iii)there was no Sanskrit literature before Bhasa and Story of Udayana was in Prakrit who was a Jain king. Why did you suppress the fact that before Rudradaman KADAMBAS there was no Hinduistic epic? It was only because of Rudradaman and Kadambas who had matrimonial relationship with Vakatakas and Guptas Sanskrit flourished. The earliest Sanskrit poets Bhasa Pravarasena Shakthibadra Bharavi Dandi lived only in South India. Buddha asks his followers to convert unaryas in Banavasi and Mahishamandalam in south as Aryan and makes no mention about Dravidas.v) who taught Aryans burning of dead instead of burials as practised by them?no aryan rishi has tuft who taught Aryans to have tuft? Who taught Aryans elephant regiment?why was Shivaites belonging to mahavratyas and Pasupathas performed sacrifices(Gnanasambandar to Sadasiva Brahmendrar)?why was it PUNJAB to UP did not have any kings till Gahadwalas/Gurjara Prathiharas arrived?do you admit that there is complete vacuum from 800BC TO ARRIVAL OF BHASA? Then where is the question ofAryanism. AIT is like OPERATION SUCCESS BUT PATIENT DEAD. LONG LIVE AIT AND INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTYTejaswininimburiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06098146870657720928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-36778515692467980302013-10-28T07:24:52.844-07:002013-10-28T07:24:52.844-07:00Thank you for this clear summary, I did not know t...Thank you for this clear summary, I did not know that Shaffer had such a momentous effect in Indian archaeology, actually I started studying the topic from 2004 (starting with your book about the Aryan Invasion debate, which I found in the library of the Scuola Normale of Pisa). <br />But I have a remark about the change to a European homeland. I have found an Italian publication of the beginning of the 20th century where it was written that for most of the 19th century the orthodox theory was that of Pictet, supporting a Bactrian homeland on the Oxus, and that only at the end of the 19th century there was a shift to a European homeland. Also Max Muller supported an Asian homeland, although undefined ('somewhere in Asia'). B. Sergent writes: "L'immense majorité des savants du XIXe siècle pensait que les Indo-Européens étaient originaires de l'Inde ou de l'Asie centrale." Still in an important Italian etymological dictionary of 1907, now available online, O. Pianigiani took the Bactrian homeland for granted: http://www.etimo.it/?term=ario&find=CercaGiacomo Benedettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18418729274995219594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-34579175676487809782013-10-26T07:04:58.669-07:002013-10-26T07:04:58.669-07:00Habits seem hard to break, even amongst scholars, ...Habits seem hard to break, even amongst scholars, who are supposed to draw inferences based on evidence. More often, evidence is "found" or concocted to justify the preconceived notions, established theories. This seems to be the case with the AIT. Scholars may be too lazy - it is easier to justify a well accepted theory, than defend a theory which requires hard work, diligence, and ability to receive and ingest abuses of AIT protagonists. Unfortunately, the field was cluttered up by some untrained and over-enthusiastic defenders of 'home-land theory', such as N.S.Rajaram. Gururaj B Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03964816448433835494noreply@blogger.com