tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post123274864189449667..comments2024-03-21T00:42:18.535-07:00Comments on Koenraad Elst: Three views of Hindu activismKoenraad Elsthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02503713923882807510noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-31361030734154341372017-05-12T05:10:14.019-07:002017-05-12T05:10:14.019-07:00@ Shoorveer ,
Nice retaliation, but that was a de...@ Shoorveer ,<br />Nice retaliation, but that was a deliberate taunt to see if anyone is reacting or retaliating. !! <br />Well, you can call me a 'half nigger' if you want, plenty of tamilians/drvaidians are. And i could only see very few of them having skin colors as dark as the negro community members. <br />So, no! i don't have inferiority complex, whether i am intellectual or not is left to the readers. <br />I don't know what scholarship obama possesses. When a reporter asked him what he thought about himself running for the presidency, he simply said "I am just a skinny guy with a funny name". And i have not heard him giving wonderful interviews either. We will leave that out<br />As for your statement calling obama a hypocrite, i dont remember hearing any statement from him to this effect. But he did give a monkey statement when he supported the idea of building a mosque near the twin tower site, but also acknowledged that he couldn't decide whether it was a good idea or not. TYPICAL MONKEY! He went on to say that muslims had the right to build a mosque wherever the law permits and practise their religion freely like anybody else. Thankfully, people like pamel geller went to court to stop the move. <br />http://abcnews.go.com/WN/president-obama-supports-building-mosque-ground/story?id=11401964<br /><br />And this is where this monkey has abandoned the spirit of america - i.e challenging all kinds of dogma. He had abandoned his own election slogan 'yes we can'. When it comes to abrahamic dogma , he has made a u-turn : 'no i will not' . ! He had dashed all the hopes of a fair treatment which non-abrahamics were expecting from this 'minority' president. Perhaps his 'hussein' background has something to it, proving all the more that muslims can never change. !! As Dr K.E says, people like him and George bush are responsible for the deaths of innocent muslims with their needless hands-off approach. <br /> <br />Yes , this is an intellectual forum, but some occasional exceptions can be made regarding usage of harsh polemics. I have no interest in Stormfront. Ajit vadakayil is confirmed maverick, i have no interest in his website either.<br /><br />So, cheers !<br /> Karthikrajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171891264654103091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-32472077116633515122017-04-21T19:37:37.656-07:002017-04-21T19:37:37.656-07:00@Karthikrajan
I loathe when bigoted non-intellectu...@Karthikrajan<br />I loathe when bigoted non-intellectuals like yourself comment on this great website hosted by the renowned scholar Dr. Elst. I find it interesting that you refer to former president Obama as a "Negro Monkey" when in fact you yourself are darker than many African Americans that I have interacted and befriended. Would you ever refer to a European American president as a "cracker"? I don't think so as you have a severe inferiority complex evidenced by your exclusive targeting of the president on his racial rather than is intellectual standing. You understand that President Obama is half White and half Black? Probably not considering that you are an unintellectual bigot. President Obama, though I do not like his policies and actions, is a brilliant scholar who has achieved much unlike you who relies on bigoted remarks to replace your lack of intellectual rigor. Why don't you argue him on a fact to fact basis? Because you are an incapable bigot. I'm certain you'd cry racism if you were treated with the same bigotry that you treat president Obama with. Why don't you question his moral standing when regarding his military actions and call him a hypocrite? Why don't you call Obama a hypocrite, like other presidents, for remaining silent on the oppression of religious minorities in theocratic regimes with which they are aligned? Why not talk about bigoted statements made by Republican and Democratic politicians towards religious minorities in the United States? Oh I know, because you are an uneducated stupid bigot with no right to post on this intellectual forum. People like you are why Wendy Doniger, Martha Nussbaum, Meera Nanda, and many other anti Hindu scholars are able to silence Hindu activism by taking bigots like yourself and painting the whole movement as racism. Why do you tarnish the images of everyone here with your idiotic racism? Why must you reduce this intellectual environment to a backward racist tirade? Just lock yourself in a room, bleach your skin, and stop commenting on intellectual forums like this and spend you days' on bigoted sites like Stormfront and Ajit Vadakayil blog where you belong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-4266501270174644412015-02-25T00:08:26.137-08:002015-02-25T00:08:26.137-08:00@vraja: Americans have embraced modhi as one of th...@vraja: Americans have embraced modhi as one of their own ?? Haven't you seen that negro monkey obama's parting shot:"india will grow if it doesn't splinter on religious lines", and his speech on prayer day "religious intolerance in india would put mahatma to shame" ? Are these directed at sonia gandhi ? <br />Americans care only about money and mischief. They will collaborate with business houses to make money , and with media houses to tarnish modhi's secular image to boot them out in the next election.<br />Modhi has to act like a true secularist. Going to a christian gathering and preaching against religious intolerance is fine. but shouldn't he have also warned that there is no place for religious dogmatism in india, and that targeted conversions will be stopped, and that free speech also includes genuine criticism of religions ? <br />He never opens his mouth to set the record straight whenever hindhuthvaa members issue supposedly controversial statements, making him suspicious in the eyes in those hindhus who brought him to power. People have started ridiculing him, equating him with the 'moun muni' ManMohan singh. <br />As KE points out, by now he should have taken all non-controversial legislative action like freeing hindhu temples, allowing hindhu religious schools etc. Media will keep barking, they never stop their bark, but delaying such actions will raise suspicion, now that major assembly elections are over. UP, bihar, WB can't be taken easily by bjp, so why wait ? <br /> Karthikrajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171891264654103091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-89957365032784386372015-02-22T21:22:36.358-08:002015-02-22T21:22:36.358-08:00I am not a fan of Jafrelot as he is prejudiced aga...I am not a fan of Jafrelot as he is prejudiced against Hinduism. But seeing your review I searched internet for purchase of his book. But the price is heavy. I thought a while and decided investing so much money to read his book is not worth.S.N, Hebbarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377998815546924369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-10348407343730370022015-02-17T15:03:53.573-08:002015-02-17T15:03:53.573-08:00@Raman and @Koenraad
That verse you quoted is not...@Raman and @Koenraad<br /><br />That verse you quoted is not from the Vishnu Purana, it was created by Sarvarkar, and he says as much in his book Hindutva. It was created to express his view that the word Hindu is not a religious term, that instead it is a geographical one, like I said in a previous comment, the word Hindu comes from the Persians, and he also taught that. Here is the page from his book at Archive.org https://archive.org/stream/hindutva-vinayak-damodar-savarkar-pdf/hindutva-vd-savarkar#page/n132/mode/1upVrajahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06535159097241083544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-48433743324041275062015-02-17T08:38:50.620-08:002015-02-17T08:38:50.620-08:00@Raman Sehgal:
1) that the Veda is a ladder to re...@Raman Sehgal: <br />1) that the Veda is a ladder to reach the roof and loses its importance once the roof is reached, is already the Upanishadic viewpoint. The gods have no use for he Vedas.<br />2) The word "Hindu" inside India is younger than the Vishnu Purana; or conversely, the VP is younger than we thought.Koenraad Elsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02503713923882807510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-36686473982447008772015-02-17T02:34:16.755-08:002015-02-17T02:34:16.755-08:00Dear Dr. Elst,
Kindly reply on two queries :
1....Dear Dr. Elst,<br /><br />Kindly reply on two queries : <br /><br />1. The reference for the following : <br /><br />Yatra vedaa aveda, meaning when the Vedic seeker of Truth finally realizes the Truth, the Veda (in the sense of the book/mantras) itself must be discarded.<br /><br />2. Is this verse of Vishnu Purana true (mention of Hindu):<br /><br />Aasindhu sindhu paryantaa Yasya Bharata Bhoomika<br />Pitrubhu Punyabhuchaiva Tavai Hinduriti Smritah<br /><br />‘Those who regard this land of Bharat spread between river Sindhu (in the north) to the ocean as their Pitrubhumi – Fatherland and Punyabhumi – Holy land are called as Hindus’.<br /><br />Regards,Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13239781977686144520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-78880542434738640242015-02-16T22:21:28.920-08:002015-02-16T22:21:28.920-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13239781977686144520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-68761460554631801482015-02-16T21:05:42.387-08:002015-02-16T21:05:42.387-08:00RSS is the most demonised organisation in India. F...RSS is the most demonised organisation in India. Few if any, its critics have actually seen the Shaka performance in the mornings or evenings. Apart from the ritualistic prayer to end the day's shakha, they mainly play Kho Kho or Kabaddi, and play sedentary games and quizzes with a nationalistic touch. Rarely does anyone deliver any lecture on Hindutva, equivalent of Khutba delivered on Fridays in mosques in India. Take a look at the young faces who come and participate. One doesn't see the zeal or fanaticism that marks a Muslim emerging out of mosque on any Friday afternoon. RSS is an intellectually tired organisation. Apart from "Sheel, and sanghatan" does it have any other obsessions? In terms of physical threat to followers of other religion, it seems about as aggressive as a cow without horns!Gururaj B Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03964816448433835494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-31012630344515660972015-02-16T17:42:17.818-08:002015-02-16T17:42:17.818-08:00You consistently claim that at the leadership leve...You consistently claim that at the leadership level of the BJP there is little desire to implement the desires of their Hindu polity for change. You say that they are content to gain office and then do as little as possible to mollify specifically Hindu concerns, so as not to agitate wealthy and powerful anti-Hindus (Muslims and Christians) and devoted nonreligious secularists. <br /><br />While this may be true for some, it is not necessarily true for all that there is no strategy to implement changes in the future. There may indeed be a strategy, but maybe they believe it wiser to wait a while, so that Modi and the BJP who have been thrust so suddenly into the international limelight, are less of a concern. We should know that there are very powerful motivated agenda driven influencers who can direct massive media attention, and who should be well understood to be looking for reasons to create a faux media tempest to create concern and consternation in the secular, Christian, and Muslim world, over "Hindu Fascism." <br /><br />Moving too soon would be a tactical mistake, even if as you rightly point out the actions would only be to make things right, i.e. giving Hindus the same rights given to Muslims and minorities in India, which were stripped from them by the anti-Hindu establishment which had been in league with powerful secular (communist), Christian, and Muslim forces, outside of India from the early days of Indian statehood. Anything which can be construed as pro-Hindu by those forces who are still very much invested in India, is going to be amplified throughout the world as an "I told you so!"<br /><br />The only reason it hasn't been worse in the western media in regards to demonization of Modi and the BJP is because American leadership has embraced them as partners. That sent a signal to the corporate mediaopolis that Modi and the BJP are "one of us now." That has kept the anti-Hindu forces at bay. But given an excuse they will jump on it and use their influence to try to get the American political leadership to condemn "Hindu extremism." Since that is the most rational tactical move they can make, it should be seen as something they realize and are waiting to do.<br /><br />Therefore, even if there is no strategy by the BJP, that should be their strategy. Go very slowly. Do next to nothing for a while. Only make changes which set things right, which gives Hindus equal rights, and most importantly make sure a media strategy and actual plan of action is in place before you go ahead and do anything. Also very important is to use your international resources, i.e. Hindu NGOs. Groups like BAPS and ISKCON have a lot of resources to influence the Hindu diaspora, which in turn have a lot of influence in corporate and political spheres. There are other Hindu groups which have more influence among wealthy and powerful non-Hindus in their various yoga organizations. They can all easily be used to help create a favorable environment in business and political circles, which translates to media influence.Vrajahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06535159097241083544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-61953616226260510952015-02-16T17:40:32.730-08:002015-02-16T17:40:32.730-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Vrajahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06535159097241083544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-35576005158985012802015-02-16T17:35:18.734-08:002015-02-16T17:35:18.734-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Vrajahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06535159097241083544noreply@blogger.com