tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post7796255754471073464..comments2024-03-21T00:42:18.535-07:00Comments on Koenraad Elst: No rebirth in the Rg-VedaKoenraad Elsthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02503713923882807510noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-9242394385151220412022-02-15T16:58:36.189-08:002022-02-15T16:58:36.189-08:00YOUR ENTIRE POST IS FALLACIOUS AND YOU SEEM TO BE ...YOUR ENTIRE POST IS FALLACIOUS AND YOU SEEM TO BE AN IGNORANT OF A HIGH CLASS. I AM POSTING HERE A LINK TO AN ARTICLE THAT HAS QUOTED VEDIC VERSES EXPLAINING OF REBIRTHS SO YOU ARE A LIAR.<br /><br />https://ne-np.facebook.com/vedconciousness/photos/the-incarnationyes-it-containsyes-there-are-some-specific-mantras-in-the-vedas-t/143222887382211/<br /><br />HERE YOU GO. YOU JUST MADE CLAIMS AND HERE IS EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE SHAMELESSLY LYING TO THE WORLD.<br />PITAMAH BHISMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11113651902019634103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-54155088659079527082017-10-27T12:42:01.782-07:002017-10-27T12:42:01.782-07:00Do you mind writing an answer here:
Is reincarnat...Do you mind writing an answer here:<br /><br /><a href="https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/21502/is-reincarnation-or-rebirth-mentioned-in-the-vedas-samhitas" rel="nofollow">Is reincarnation or rebirth mentioned in the Vedas (Samhitas)?</a><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-91339132614097297402017-03-02T03:32:56.484-08:002017-03-02T03:32:56.484-08:00Suppose I write a concise book with all the recent...Suppose I write a concise book with all the recent stories. In that book I might mention the 9/11 incident as just "The Towers". I am supposing that everyone knows about the towers and no need to explain it all since it in itself is another whole book with all the conspiracies and other nutty stuff associated with it. I think Vedas are like that. Those who know the stories know it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-21309565699408827662017-03-02T03:21:17.147-08:002017-03-02T03:21:17.147-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-88591899816794713662017-03-02T03:08:01.323-08:002017-03-02T03:08:01.323-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-29894993345083059872016-01-28T20:41:14.163-08:002016-01-28T20:41:14.163-08:00In your own post you have mentioned and accepted t...In your own post you have mentioned and accepted that<br />//In Yajurveda 19.47, however, the reincarnation doctrine may indeed be implied:<br /><br />“There are two paths for the soul. One path Pitryana provides birth again and again through union of father and mother, good and bad deeds, happiness and sorrow. The other path of Devayana frees the soul from cycle of birth and death and provides bliss of salvation. The whole world reverberates with both these paths. And after both, the soul again takes birth as progeny of father and mother.”//<br /><br />So even if it is not mentioned in Rig Veda, does it makes reincarnation false in Vedic era? I think There is no oldest Veda but all Vedas are composed at the same time and vedic era also believed in reincarnation.Vedas contain law of universe ! Hari Om ! Vijay Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046425632354224480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-18427173636887342562013-09-21T07:48:56.573-07:002013-09-21T07:48:56.573-07:00Unaccomplished activities of past lives are also o...Unaccomplished activities of past lives are also one of the causes for reincarnation. Some of us reincarnate to complete the unfinished tasks of previous birth. This is evident from my own story of reincarnation:<br />“My most Revered Guru of my previous life His Holiness Maharaj Sahab, 3rd Spiritual Head of Radhasoami Faith had revealed this secret to me during trance like state of mine. This was sort of REVELATION.<br />HE told me, “Tum Sarkar Sahab Ho” (You are Sarkar Sahab). Sarkar Sahab was one of the most beloved disciple of His Holiness Maharj Sahab. Sarkar Sahab later on became Fourth Spiritual Head of Radhasoami Faith.<br />Since I don’t have any direct realization of it so I can not claim the extent of its correctness. But it seems to be correct. During my previous birth I wanted to sing the song of ‘Infinite’ (Agam Geet yeh gawan chahoon tumhri mauj nihara, mauj hoi to satguru soami karoon supanth vichara) but I could not do so then since I had to leave the mortal frame at a very early age. But through the unbounded Grace and Mercy of my most Revered Guru that desire of my past birth is being fulfilled now.”<br />I am one the chief expounder and supporter of Gravitation Force Theory of God. This is most scientific and secular theory of God. This is the Theory of Universal Religion. I have given Higher Theory of Everything. Sometimes back I posted this as comments to a blog on:<br />‘Fighting of the Cause of Allah by Governing a Smart Mathematics Based on Islamic Teology’<br />By Rohedi of Rohedi Laboratories, Indonesia. Rohedi termed my higher theory of everything more wonderful than which has been developed by Stephen Hawking. Some details are quoted below:<br />rohedi<br />@anirudh kumar satsangi<br />Congratulation you have develop the higher theory of everything more wonderful than which has been developed by Stephen Hawking. Hopefully your some views for being considered for Unified Field Theory are recognized by International Science Community, hence I soon read the fundamental aspect proposed by you.<br />I have posted my comments to the Blog of Syed K. Mirza on Evolutionary Science vs. Creation Theory, and Intellectual Hypocrisy. Syed Mirza seems to be a very liberal muslim. He responded to my comments as mentioned below.<br />“Many thanks for your very high thought explanations of God.<br />You said:<br />“Hence it can be assumed that the Current of Chaitanya (Consciousness) and Gravitational Wave are the two names of the same Supreme Essence (Seed) which has brought forth the entire creation. Hence it can be assumed that the source of current of consciousness and gravitational wave is the same i.e. God or ultimate creator.<br />(i) Gravitation Force is the Ultimate Creator, Source of Gravitational Wave is God”<br />Whatever you call it, God is no living God of any religion. Yes, when I call it “Mother Nature” is the God generated from all Natural forces and Gravitational force is the nucleus of all forces or we can presume that Gravitation is the ultimate guiding principle of this Mother Nature we call it non-living God unlike living personal God of religions. I can not believe any personal God would do so much misery created for its creation. Hence, only non-living natural God can explain everything in the Universe. When we think of any living personal God, things do not ad up!”<br />I have also discovered the mathematical expression for emotional quotient (E.Q.) and for spiritual quotient (S.Q.).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02502123900153558058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-78149132519624436082013-04-22T22:07:36.649-07:002013-04-22T22:07:36.649-07:00@Karthikrajan,
I do not understand why seeing it ...@Karthikrajan,<br /><br />I do not understand why seeing it in isolation is the "only" way, much less a requirement to do so. The very name "Samhita" means a compilation. To understand why the mantras are grouped in a particular way, there is no alternative but to depend on the anukramanis and srauta sutras. To understand the meaning of mantras there is no alternative than to depend on mantra and ritual. Both the word veda and names of vedas can be found in the veda, but that is irrelevant when you say its reorganization happened multiple times in history. There would always be some meta/structuring content added with such reorganization. <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648297622462808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-50017533423441930402013-04-22T05:29:30.535-07:002013-04-22T05:29:30.535-07:00@ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli :I can understand y...@ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli :I can understand your problem. But seeing it in isolation is the only way now and, as i see it i have mentioned in above post. And i understand that the meaning of the word 'vedh' is to-know or to-seek. Are the names of the vedhas found in the vedhic text itself? i am not sure about this. The seers seem to have done some experimentation and hence the sophistication found in it , like u mentioned, dhvani, varna, swara etc. And i am unable to say for sure what it is about.Karthikrajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171891264654103091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-65849720448462492622013-04-22T05:17:07.241-07:002013-04-22T05:17:07.241-07:00@ysr_rao: yes, i've read them and some are int...@ysr_rao: yes, i've read them and some are interesting:<br />1)What is the meaning of nahusa ‘overtaking’ indra to become indra himself?<br />2)Rituals may be an attempt to take a participant to heaven, this idea was abandoned later as no such thing could be proved. What is the relevance of these rituals to present day hindus?<br />5) The importance of the role played by heat energy in sustenance of the universe was understood and hence the deifying of the sun and agni. [Eminent American astro-physicist Carl Sagan commented in the teleseries ‘cosmos’ : We are star (sun) stuff, harvesting star light]. Campfires may have inspired them, we can’t rule it out. <br />7) Freeing up dammed rivers ? That is interesting, did they know of blood clots leading to cardiac arrests? <br />8) Some hindus still maintain (‘thughlak’ Tamil magazine editor cho Ramasamy is one such guy) that braahmans who are ‘properly’ trained in vedhic rituals no longer exist, otherwise all miracles are possible like taking a participant to heaven, bringing rains and cheers, meeting the gods to take census or to conduct interview etc. <br />9) True, I had a doubt whether the sacrificed animals during RV period were eaten or just discarded. Most probably it was eaten. I am watching this teleseries ‘hannibal’ on AXN t.v. One psychopath character teaches his daughter to hunt and insists that the meat be eaten and other body parts be utilised in some way. When his daughter protests, he says : “eating and utilising the parts is like honouring the animal, otherwise it is simply a murder”. (the psychopath does the same with his human victims).Maybe the same logic governed the RV seers, which they later abandoned for humane reasons.<br />11) Precisely because a lot of seers from different schools of thought composed the RV, it becomes difficult to understand the purpose behind this text. However, the central theme is about invoking the gods to obtain riches and destruction of the enemy, since we find these verses from start to the end. Asking for riches may be for the entire society, but destruction of the enemy is definitely for their paymasters who happen to be warlords always in battle. Shrikant talageri points out to one seer who rats on them and hence the verse asking the gods to destroy the enemy even though the enemy happens to be thei kinsmen !! (later refined in the bhagawadh Geetha: krishna exhorting arjuna to kill his kinsmen without hesitation for the sake of truth and justice) These invocations did not always produce results. The dejection due to failure of their hymns coupled with tongue-lashing received from their paymasters manifests as lamentations like: why are u not helping us, you are our god, don’t help our enemies etc. Some became philosophical and pondered about life and death, some changed strategy and explored the possibility of sending their paymasters to heaven ( unable to rain hellfire on their enemies !!!) some quietly inserted history as they found this to be a foolproof method to transmit it from generation to generation (tape recorder !!) , some sought medicinal help from the god rudhra to repair their paymaster’s ravaged body, some give valuable tips like: don’t fight amongst yourselves, maintain peace, avoid sathi etc.Karthikrajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171891264654103091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-52963341673829711892013-04-21T22:04:45.214-07:002013-04-21T22:04:45.214-07:00@Karthikrajan,
Obviously RV is a Veda samhita and...@Karthikrajan,<br /><br />Obviously RV is a Veda samhita and meant for those who *learn* it - along with limbs and accessories. For that matter any sastra is to be learned "sa-anga-upanga". RV is explicit about its ritual nature and its mantra nature (from mantras like catvari vak, rco akshare parame vyoman etc). The vedangas etc are meant precisely to lead us to a proper understanding of the meaning. Mantra sastra deals with (sound+devata) and the constituent areas like dhvani, varna, swara, theology, consciousness etc. <br /><br />The problem that I have is with seeing RV in isolation on the reason that you do not have equally ancient corollary texts. <br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648297622462808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-21073308078002044672013-04-20T00:44:28.293-07:002013-04-20T00:44:28.293-07:00@Karthikarajan
Read my excerpts of Kunal Singhs o...@Karthikarajan<br /><br />Read my excerpts of Kunal Singhs observations- it would answer some of your queriesysv_raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078517736366792665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-77233162419192199662013-04-19T04:04:57.392-07:002013-04-19T04:04:57.392-07:00@ ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli: OK, so what is th...@ ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli: OK, so what is this 'manthra shaasthra' all about, or, what is RV all about ? is it for the general public or for the intelligentsia?Karthikrajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171891264654103091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-90598109275467289072013-04-18T22:15:55.996-07:002013-04-18T22:15:55.996-07:00@ysv_rao, karthikrajan,
See how "reincarnati...@ysv_rao, karthikrajan,<br /><br />See how "reincarnation is not there in RV" now comes down to saying the references "they may or may not" be talking of rebirth. If you want to look for what alternatives the mantra can suggest other than rebirth, you can find many - I can give you myself. Again as I said, if one wants to know about RV one has to understand the mantra sastra of RV, its ritual scheme. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648297622462808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-25004891006352297672013-04-18T22:14:03.110-07:002013-04-18T22:14:03.110-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Skandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817047623117198380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-40915654926024055862013-04-18T04:51:48.046-07:002013-04-18T04:51:48.046-07:00One thing I find very striking in the vedhic texts...One thing I find very striking in the vedhic texts is that it is based on extensive observation of the nature: its configuration, its structure, the role played by various entities etc. One such observable phenomenon is the house hold lizard re-growing its lost tail. From this viewpoint the RV manthraas asking for ‘new bodies’ could mostly mean refurbishment of the body ravaged in the wars. Rebirth may be attributed to some verses depending on translation of the words, but we need to understand how the idea caught on. They were observant enough to catch the role played by the pancha-boothaas (earth – solid, water – liquid, air – gas, sun/fire – energy, & space ) in the human body [compare this with bible narrative that god made man from dust, which leaves out other constituents from the picture !]. Ideas like organ transplant, asexual reproduction, cloning etc can be found in the later stage hindu texts but not necessarily in the rig vedha. As KE rightly points out, rebirth may or may not be found in the RV , but that was not the central theme. Karthikrajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171891264654103091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-80594246417188037672013-04-17T00:37:15.258-07:002013-04-17T00:37:15.258-07:00contd..
6) Indra is not eulogized many times beca...contd..<br /><br />6) Indra is not eulogized many times because Visnu or Shiva have not been<br />defined yet. They have been defined, Shiva is typically addressed as Rudra<br />and the mantra of AUM is well understood in the related Upanisads. Indra is<br />eulogized because the participant wants to enter "heaven" he wants to<br />acquire to "Indraloka." To acquire to the Brahman, he has to first conquer<br />his senses.<br /><br />7) Much of the discussions related to Indra freeing up dammed rivers does<br />not apply to dark races somehow blocking the invading Aryan's water supply<br />as some western scholars have suggested. Some of the Upanisads clearly<br />explain the varied use of the term river to be different things at different<br />times, those in the sky, those in the body etc. Thus sometimes the rivers<br />are said to run upward, as in the human body for example, quite unnatural<br />for "earthly" rivers. Sometimes they are associated with sweat or<br />perspiration.<br /><br />8) The Vedas were not written up by a few Brahmins to define a caste<br />structure and there is no progression of any migration of aryan races coming<br />into conflict with dark races. There is some discussion of castes in the<br />Upanisads, but nothing really significant, as usual some fighting between<br />Brahmins and Kshatriyas. The Vedas were apparently defined in the courts of<br />kings and in one of the Upanisads a king warily explains to a Brahmin the<br />meaning of the fire and altar etc. worried that the Brahmin may some day use<br />the knowledge to harm his race. This is also the reason why we see so many<br />kings performing various sacrifices in the various epics. They were not<br />bound to perform them by the Brahmins, who at the time were too weak and<br />powerless, they expected to gain something from them and had entrusted the<br />Brahmins with the knowledge so that they could use them to achieve something<br />quite specific. The rites were quite complicated and required more than one<br />Brahmin and there was no way the king could perform the elaborate ceremony<br />by himself. Brahmins who were well versed in the rites were still quite<br />hard to find. The Sama Veda required knowledge of metres and singing in<br />addition to the understanding of yogic prana flow. And the Atharva Veda and<br />related Upanisads demonstrate knowledge of attempting to direct the<br />sacrificial smoke in particular directions and using multiple fires to<br />correct any errors. There are also some warnings against hiring Brahmin<br />priests who didn't have sufficient knowledge of the subject.<br /><br />9) Lastly and most importantly, animal sacrifices were a routine affair, the<br />cutting of the animal, the eating of the animal etc. It is not just the<br />Yajur but the Rg as well which describes the Horse Sacrifice, probably the<br />Yajur priest then kicked in and said a lot more verses while the horse was<br />being led around etc.<br /><br />10) The Vedas do provide a very good understanding of the significance of<br />the Sun and its treatment as the external Brahman united with the internal<br />Brahman. It explains the Moon and its relations with the vegetation of the<br />Earth as well as the body etc. Also one can obtain a better understanding<br />of related Hindu deities by examining probably the largest rituals ever<br />compiled in the courts of kings.<br /><br />11) The Vedas were probably discussed and contributed to by many people in<br />royal courts. Thus it having no singular author is indeed quite a true<br />claim.ysv_raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078517736366792665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-74191685359850589392013-04-17T00:32:54.591-07:002013-04-17T00:32:54.591-07:00@ShankaraBharadwaj
I realize what you noted the q...@ShankaraBharadwaj<br /><br />I realize what you noted the quote about the body as well. However even in that context, it could mean the rejuvenation of the body(possibly through prana) and/or bestowing eternal youth onto the body so that it is as good as new, rather than just new.<br /><br />You are right that Rg Vedic verses are very tricky without the proper context and the ritual aspect. You also very astutely stated that they have a macro/cosmic and micro/individual earthly connotation.<br /><br />I think a very good explanation was given by a knowledgable and heterodox Indian American Kunal Singh who used to share his knowledge on the various newsgroups many years ago. They are still on archive on deja.com<br /><br />here are few of his observations<br /><br /><br />It turns out that what is commonly termed the Vedas is actually just the<br />ritualistic portion of the Vedas, with the Upanisads being parts of the<br />different Vedas. After I had put the Upanisads together with their<br />respective Vedas, the explanations of the oblations of the Vedas started to<br />make sense, as the Upanisads provided the explanation. And supposedly at<br />one time they were a part of the Vedas, which makes sense if one reads the<br />contents of the various Upanisads. But one thing is for sure, the contents<br />of the Vedas become very difficult to interpret without the Upanisads.<br /><br />So to correct my own and possibly the shared misconceptions of other Hindus<br />and definitely quite a few misconceptions of so called Hindu scholars:<br /><br />1) There is no separation of the Vedas, some earlier, some later, etc. The<br />Rg Veda provides the speech, the Sama Veda is the breath, the Yajur provides<br />the verses for those building the altar etc, and the Atharva Veda provides<br />some corrective actions in case the priests of the other Vedas make mistakes<br />during the performance. It is possible that some Upanisads may have been<br />later extended or added to, for the explanations of the "self" but the<br />rituals seem to mention the time of the king Yadu etc. Remember Nahusa of<br />the lunar race once overtook Indra and became Indra himself.<br /><br />2) There is a time sequence to the oblations, the ritualistic oblations by<br />themselves are not intended to discuss philosophy which one may expect in<br />the contents of the Vedas. But the rituals begin during the darkness of<br />pre-dawn and progress throughout the day. The rituals definitely attempt to<br />take the participant to "heaven." But I shall deliberately not address that<br />on the net.<br /><br />3) The Vedas do not provide a lot of political history, though some history<br />of the deities. Indra is always glorified as the defeater of Vrtra. But<br />contrary to what people currently believe when reading verses associated<br />with the "darkness" of Vrtra being pierced and conquered by Indra and the<br />riteless Dasyus being vanquished, it is not intended to represent any<br />aryan/dravidian divide as proposed by western scholars. The formless Vrtra<br />(thus the darkness) was said to cover creation at one point and Indra was<br />supposed to have defeated the "formless." Thus it represents more the<br />eulogizing of Indra (deity of the senses) for having created form out of<br />darkness, not really defeating dark-skinned people as some scholars have<br />proposed.<br /><br />4) Indra in Hinduism is still associated with both the senses and the<br />actions (gyana and karma) Indriyas. Thus Indra is praised often as<br />"piercing" and "cutting" the formless Vrtra into "pieces." The riteless<br />(formless worship) being defeated by Indra and his being the protector of<br />the "arya" or those believing in "rites" (ritualistic worship). The<br />understanding of the senses seems to provide the fundamental justification<br />in Hinduism for "form" both in the external world and in its rituals.<br /><br />5) The reason why Agni is addressed so many times isn't because the Vedas<br />were primitive and in those days people were sitting around a camp fire.<br />The Vedas are set in a context of a "havan" thus the oblations and<br />significance of Agni.<br /><br />ysv_raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078517736366792665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-37774691537070533272013-04-16T02:37:09.749-07:002013-04-16T02:37:09.749-07:00The problem with general reading of RV mantras is ...The problem with general reading of RV mantras is also that it ignores the ritual aspect. The yajna is itself a model whose macro interpretation is cosmic and micro interpretation is individual/life. And yajnic ritual terminates with the invariable mention of cyclic concept. Like I mentioned earlier, the concept cannot be seen in isolation and is shaped with several related concepts. The challenge with RV unlike Yajurveda is that the hymn is clearly separated from the ritual application and people usually come back saying the sutras and brahmana are much later dated. In Yajurveda the samhita itself has enough ritual content to dispel this kind of objection. Never mind the fact that RV starts with invoking Agni as the Purohita and implying that that mantra is meant for ritual application. At the life "threat" level yes the Kshatriyas have more relevance with rebirth as a concept. But then, also as demonstrated in Shvetaketu's example, the notion was *pre-existent* at his time! <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648297622462808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-9866882408998844612013-04-16T00:10:50.866-07:002013-04-16T00:10:50.866-07:00Hello KE,
You can again restore vitality, intelle...Hello KE,<br /><br />You can again restore vitality, intellect etc, but what is this restoring of body in RV 10.59.6-7 and how does it happen without a rebirth? The concept of "punarjanma" with all its constituent dynamics such as birth under specific conditions and its relation to previous lives etc does not have to be there at all when you say you are going to be born again! <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648297622462808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-81670575427315767732013-04-14T06:31:51.694-07:002013-04-14T06:31:51.694-07:00@ysv_rao,
The reason why I even added a comment o...@ysv_rao,<br /><br />The reason why I even added a comment on top of what webasura already said is to explicitly note the difference. Mantra 6 can be read either way as life force, energy etc but mantra 7 is explicit about giving a body and cannot be interpreted as anything other than body. In fact Dayananda Saraswati quotes these two as indicative of the concept of rebirth, it is not my discovery. <br /><br />As such, I would not be really interested in searching for concepts like rebirth in a Samhita which is meant to be explicitly adhi daivika. The text we look at should be reasonably appropriate and relevant to the concept we are looking for. But unfortunately these days the Hindu way of looking at Hindu texts has become "unscholarly". <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648297622462808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-2524209523943976732013-04-11T23:34:21.149-07:002013-04-11T23:34:21.149-07:00@webasura Shankar
We need to see the actual trans...@webasura Shankar<br /><br />We need to see the actual translation and context. The Rg Veda is notoriously prone to multiple interpretations.<br /><br />I am not saying your interpretation is inaccurate but we cant say for sure with finality<br /><br />Also prana in prana pratistha mantra can mean life force or energy(chi) rather than life.<br /><br />Seeing how the authors and beneficiaries of these prayers were warriors, it could very well imply a plea for reparing this life force and rejuvenating it and acquiring new ones.<br /><br />ysv_raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078517736366792665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-59189343936959710452013-04-08T10:14:16.704-07:002013-04-08T10:14:16.704-07:00@webasura,
Good catch. 10.59.6 happens to be the ...@webasura,<br /><br />Good catch. 10.59.6 happens to be the prana pratistha mantra. 6 prays for life and 7 for body. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648297622462808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-18906662704156272592013-04-05T14:55:39.962-07:002013-04-05T14:55:39.962-07:00correction above - "Elst alleges that..."...correction above - "Elst alleges that..."webasurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01159927124839065937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-82140034570004184182013-04-05T14:54:53.056-07:002013-04-05T14:54:53.056-07:00Rubbish. Elst admits that the RgVeda doesn't s...Rubbish. Elst admits that the RgVeda doesn't speak of rebirth. Here is a small sample of mantras from the RgVeda that specifically talk of rebirth: <br /><br />Rigveda 10.59.6-7:O Blissful Ishwar, Please provide us again healthy eyes and other sense organs in next birth. Please provide us powerful vitality, mind, intellect, valor again and again in next births. We achieve bliss in this life and future lives. May we keep looking up to your glory always. Keep us in peace with your blessings.O Ishwar, you provide us space, earth and other elements again and again so that our sense organs function. You provide us the ability to have good health and enjoy life in every birth. You make us strong again and again in various births.<br /><br />Rigveda 1.24.1-2:Question: Whom do we consider the most pure? Who is the most enlightened one in entire world. Who provides us mother and father again in the world after gifting us ultimate bliss or Mukti?Answer: The self-enlightening, eternal, ever-free Ishwar alone is most pure. He alone provides us mother and father again in the world after gifting us ultimate bliss or Mukti.<br /><br />Rig VIII. !. 23. 6 & 7."O God! Thou conductest ourpranas. We pray Thee that we may be happy whenever we may assume another body after death. Grant us, O God! The eyes and all the other senses, the pranas and the inner senses in our future birth when we may assume another body after forsaking the present. Do Thou grant us that when we are born again we may enjoy uninterruptedly all enjoyable thins. May we be able to see the luminous sun and the ingoing and outgoing pranas in all our rebirths. O God! Thou art the dispenser of honor and happiness, make us happy in all our rebirths, through Thy grace."[In this mantra, the eye (Chakshu) represents all the senses and prana the inner senses.] "Be gracious, O Lord! To grant that in our rebirths the earth may give us pranaborn of food and strength, the bright light of the sun may give us prana and middle region may give us life; the juices of medicines such as soma, may give us body (bodily health and vigor). O God! Thou art the giver of strength and nourishment, show us in our rebirths the path of virtue (dharma). We pray that happiness be our lit in all our births through Thy grace.webasurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01159927124839065937noreply@blogger.com