tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post2217860834921095956..comments2024-03-21T00:42:18.535-07:00Comments on Koenraad Elst: Rajaram, Witzel, and RacismKoenraad Elsthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02503713923882807510noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-62764803684695389722018-05-14T09:03:52.129-07:002018-05-14T09:03:52.129-07:00Mr.Koenraad, your arguments and logic are wonderfu...Mr.Koenraad, your arguments and logic are wonderful and would leave the discerning reader stupefied.About Rajaram's opposition to the Germanic deities Thor and Odin: Since Thor and Odin are equivalents of Indra and Varuna of the Hindu mythology, you aver that any opposition to Thor and Odin tantamount to opposing Indra and Varuna as well and therefore the Christians would be pleased because Rajaram is against Thor and Odin.Mr.Koenraad,one has to learn the art of circular logic from you.If the likes of Rajaram are indeed opposed to the Germanic concepts for whatever reason,then certainly they are not consciously opposed to the equivalent Indian concepts.So how can you say that those who oppose certain ideas outside this country,are also opposed to the equivalent ideas of this country? Do we not find two identical or closely similar entities being opposed to each other,in this world?Jarnail Singh Bhindaranwale hated Hindus, and therefore should we say that Bhindaranwale was also anti-Sikh because the Sikh religion is same as the Hindu religion? And, just because two similar entities are opposed to each other,then can we say that they are favourably disposed to a dissimilar third entity which is an enemy of both the similar entities? I mean,why do you bring in the Christian element? Similarly the bitterly anti-Hindu SriLankan Buddhists cannot be thought of as pro-Islamic or pro-Christian.First of all, did N.S.Rajaram oppose Thor,Odin and also the Germanic religion in general?If so, you have not reproduced the exact words of Rajaram to that effect.You have given those statements of Rajaram which say that Houston Chamberlain and Arthur de Gobineau had drawn from the source of German mythology and that they worshipped Thor and Odin but not Indra and Varuna.Now, this does not say anything about Rajaram's opposition to Thor and Odin,nor about Rajaram's opposition to Germanic religion.But it says about the inclinations of those two racists.Chamberlain and Gobineau wouldn't have cared two hoots about Hindu mythology and about the closeness between Hinduism and the Germanic religion.If pressed on this issue then they would have replied that the pure Aryans from Germany would have carried those concepts with them when they had invaded India in the ancient past.Winston Churchill whom you have revealed to have been an ordained officiant in the neo-Druid movement, was not serious about his Christian religion either.And yet he was bitterly anti-Hindu and vehemently pro-Muslim in his outlook on India.<br /><br />Both Rajaram and Witzel are saying that the Aryan invasion issue has been settled and it only draws political interest and not scholarly interest.But they differ on the political interest which is drawn to the Aryan issue.So making use of one similarity you make Rajaram a consenter of Witzel!<br />Making use of that similarity we can as well make Witzel a consenter of Rajaram.Isn't it?In actual wars and also in matters like debates such as the AIT, both the contesting sides may claim victory, but does that mean that both sides have come to an agreement or truce?In Witzel-Rajaram issue,Witzel claims that the AIT has prevailed, whereas Rajaram claims that the AIT has been proved wrong.As you state the AIT is yet to be discarded and even Rajaram does not say that the AIT has been discarded.(I have seen Rajaram's blog)As for Witzel's claims of the victory of the AIT, the AIT is yet to be challenged by the anti-AIT people in the arena of academia.Therefore the AIT is comfortably entrenched in the academia but without an iota of supporting proof, just like some other unfounded theories.Therefore Rajaram and Witzel are not in agreement with each other.<br /><br />The way you are twisting and distorting Rajaram's words to give your own interpretation makes me suspect every other information which you attribute to Rajaram.Truth Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16135681599096415883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-78842613961732702392018-02-03T07:33:20.469-08:002018-02-03T07:33:20.469-08:00Mr.Koenraad,as you have rightly stated Mr.Rajaram ...Mr.Koenraad,as you have rightly stated Mr.Rajaram has no business to review a book which he had not read.But your introduction to Rajaram raises some important questions, mainly regarding the AIT and about it's validity.From what you have written, both Rajaram and Witzel are agreed that the Aryan question has more political concern rather than scholarly concern.But the verdict of Witzel on the Aryan matter is quite opposite to that of Rajaram,viz.the AIT has won.Now this is not what you agree with.You aver that there is absolutely no evidence for AIT.So you are in agreement with Rajaram at least on this point though you are a critic of Rajaram's anti-linguistics and anti-homeland views.Whereas Witzel and his likes are in favour of the colonial invasion theory.Therefore Witzel and his likes are farther away from you than Rajaram.And yet Mr.Koenraad you seem to have little or no empathy for Rajaram and his likes.Instead you seem to project Rajaram and his likes as offenders, and want them to behave properly as if they don't have a case.So Mr.Koenraad,it is you who has taken a weasel like stance.Truth Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16135681599096415883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-3949707181404003342014-04-24T10:35:43.991-07:002014-04-24T10:35:43.991-07:00@Gururuaj BN. Sir, I have read books of both autho...@Gururuaj BN. Sir, I have read books of both authors, but Dr Kashyap's do look more well researched, especially since he's trying to follow the leads from Kapali Sastry and Sri Aurobindo for his studies on the Vedas and Upanishads.Bhuvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07555147183688312897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-40241751979680847642014-04-20T09:20:01.664-07:002014-04-20T09:20:01.664-07:00Just another exposé of puerile Hindutva activism-s...Just another exposé of puerile Hindutva activism-scholarship. Is it really impossible to see them disabused someday? They habitually hammer conclusions in complete disregard of scholarship, any scholarship.Shankar Sharanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05302753258206444854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-9806040767041402642014-04-19T03:02:32.881-07:002014-04-19T03:02:32.881-07:00Turbolag Panja:
yes indeed these days boodists h...Turbolag Panja: <br /><br />yes indeed these days boodists hate Hindus. they lie about their own history as well, buddha never protested against caste system but boodists believe the exact opposite.Shravan Tanjorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17298451633247843496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-81251291013224445542014-04-18T07:21:25.640-07:002014-04-18T07:21:25.640-07:00Dr.Rajaram, the self-appointed intellectual kshatr...Dr.Rajaram, the self-appointed intellectual kshatriya has squandered great opportunities by writing shallow books. His book "In search of historical Krishna" is one such example. It is just a restatement of Mahabharata story, with neither search, nor history. His book about Saraswati River culture is another such shallow attempt at scholarship. "As I have stated elsewhere", "as I have argued earlier", etc and similar phrases are the burden of song of this book. Some people with science background dabble in sanskrit scholarship with no training in it, nor respect for its methods. Being persons with grip over science, they think, they possess "The Method" for grappling with any subject and always be right. Another such example is Dr.Kashyap of SAKSIVIK of Bangalore, a former computer scientist, who has published translation of Taittiriya Samhita. In this book, the word "Gau", ordinarily understood as cow has been translated as "Ray-cow". Heaven knows, what this "ray cow" is and who ordered it.Gururaj B Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03964816448433835494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-20549963237173909702014-04-17T21:10:56.827-07:002014-04-17T21:10:56.827-07:00The work of Witzel, Elst, Rajaram, Talageri and Da...The work of Witzel, Elst, Rajaram, Talageri and Danino ARE like Rocket Science. However, many plebeians think they CAN understand, comment on and arrive at definitive conclusions! After all, even politicians know about the escape velocity of Jupiter as well as of poverty - merely a state of mind :-D Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-52838084488589798942014-04-17T11:39:47.032-07:002014-04-17T11:39:47.032-07:00Shravan Tanjore
I suspect Dr. Elst is very much t...Shravan Tanjore<br /><br />I suspect Dr. Elst is very much taken up with the project of providing a final dating for the Kurukshtra war.....but anyways let me help you out a little ...There is much debate among Theravada Buddhists as to how come Buddhism disappeared from India (discounting the Tibeto-Burmese strong holds in Upper Himalayas in India, Nepal and areas beyond the Himalayas--(Ladakh))...<br /><br /><br />Jain scholar PS Jaini researched a lot on it...you can read his articles (3 parts) if you click on the links provided by Western Theravada monk Ven, Dhammanando on this page<br /><br />http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1609&start=20<br /><br /><br />you may also read this article by Western Theravada monk Ven. Shravasti Dhammika (but let me warn you in most of his articles he has a disdain/contempt for Hindus in particular and Indians in general)<br /><br />http://sdhammika.blogspot.de/2008/06/why-one-and-not-other.htmlTurbolag Panjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17588337373998480646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-13973821354662067632014-04-17T09:19:44.964-07:002014-04-17T09:19:44.964-07:00As time rolls on, the AIT due to historical eviden...As time rolls on, the AIT due to historical evidence will continue to lose favour, especially as the OIT becomes better known. While AIT can be knocked out, the OIT does not necessarily replace that, but it will probably have more takers than the AIT.<br /><br />While uncovering history remains a priority, a much more important issue has yet to make its presence felt, that of the limits of the historical approach itself as it pertains to knowledge including self-knowledge. In the Dharmic literature, there are many statements which essentially boil down to 'There are two kinds of knowledge, historical and timeless.' The latter is coming to the fore in the sciences in the West, especially fostered by physics but now reaching into biology and even psychology where Yoga/Hinduism and Buddhism are leaving their marks in the evolving discourse.<br /><br />The Dharmic view that speaks of the limits of the historical/causal method makes all historical narratives that much less compelling, whether AIT or OIT, though the former can only be held if one persists in not looking at the OIT literature.sandalwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06578669426920386938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138082354348831474.post-33809471911251632522014-04-14T19:13:34.986-07:002014-04-14T19:13:34.986-07:00hahaha how funny some people can be!. Mr Rajaram m...hahaha how funny some people can be!. Mr Rajaram may be right about some things but these things he says are not very sound.<br /><br />Dr Else, I have a request for you. Please write an article on Jainism covering as many aspects of it and it's interaction and relation with vedic culture like for example you have written on buddhism and buddha.<br /><br />who Jains are? did they 'influence' hindus to become veggies? how their philosophy is different from ours and finally are they or are the vedics reactionary against the other going by their scriptures.Shravan Tanjorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17298451633247843496noreply@blogger.com